GǪand this is needed why, exactly?

And why is that necessary? If they are away from the client, they can't hurt you.

cloaking is balanced. While he is cloaked, he cannot target, shoot, or harass you in any way.

Let me get this streight. You suggest that cloaked ships be scannable, and that ships under cloak throw off the scanner by warping to a different spot in the solar system.

Since thats exactly the same as not having a cloak, why bother using them?

Maybe you won't believe it, but some people have a real life which sometimes tends to be interruptive... and for those people cloaking is the only way to play in low-sec or 0.0. If I have an urgend real life issue while playing EVE, I can warp into a safe spot and cloak until the issue is resolved. So being unable to be scanned down is working as intended. Making cloaked safe spotted ships scannable will just reduce the number of people playing in low-sec or 0.0 even more.

Remove the incentive to AFK while docked or in a pos while you're at it.

It's only fair.

That's flat out clunky and hard to explain from a lore or immersion standpoint.

There's a better way.

This thread is still going?

Tippia and Ingvar, you guys have way more patience than I do.

GǪexcept, of course, that yours does not stop the incentive to AFK cloak (nor does it offer any reason as to why it needs to), whereas the other suggestions do.

There needs to be the ability to remain on grid for hours on end cloaked while simply watching an enemy pos for example. It's a vital intel gathering method. If you break this, you disrupt the entire paradigm of wormhole intel gathering, yet can provide no valid reason for wanting to do so when there are simpler and more elegant solutions to "fix" this non-issue.

No it isn't.

but i read this in a kind of badass old man voice.

No offence to the guys who want to cloak and stuff BUT if almost everyone is thinking ideas how to counter afk cloaking doesn't that mean there is a problem in the game mechanics?

The only thing necessary to "balance" or "fix" cloaking is to remove the pilot of the cloaked ship from Local.

Other than that, cloaking is probably one of the most balanced mechanics in the game. Just because people are as afraid of AFK cloakies as they are of their own shadow doesn't mean it should be nerfed.

GTFO here with that weak ****.

Wormhole space if cloaks were detectable at all due this will become COMPLETELY safe. Just launch one and spam the scan, you will never get ganked again while ratting.

It nerfs the crap out of the risk in wormhole space by breaking cloaks, allowing a ridiculous level of safety that's unwanted and unneeded.

So lets see. If I ran an alliance I could tell 6 anticloakers to secure the system. And ill pay them each 100 million per hour. I could then tell my BlingSheep Fleet to begin harvesting all bounties and sites in the system and charge them 25% tax. I could tell the PimpedOutRockHumper Fleet to begin strip mining the asteroids in their best fits and charge them a 25% mineral tax.

And when we were done we could move on to the next system.

Like a swarm of locust.

And as I did this the allure and safety would harvest more recruits to further expand our proliferation. Multiple systems at once.

I won't even take you down the road of step two. How would you like it if I took the proceeds from said setup and began buying EVE's entire production of any given useful item and had the ability to set it's price? How about anti cloaking devices would never be cheaper than a billion each because of standing buy orders? Or any other number of items I had the urge to control.

You see with the ability to absolutely secure something, be it self or space, you fundamentally break the game. And all it takes is someone with the will and ingenuity to do so.

I think that it is really telling that the people in favor of nerfing cloaks are in noob corps (all 2 of them). I think the real title of this thread should be "a plan to make it so that my mining bot won't stay docked when someone is afk cloaked in system."

You never even read what the problem is, did you? You're just regurgitating the same old drivel while ignoring the facts.

(Sorry Zim, that was for Endeavour. You snuck in on me there.)

If we're fair, the thought of warping back and forth just to remain undetected sounds a bit off to me. If anything, moving back and forth would make more noise, and make you more detectable.

That is, if we're looking at how subs operate.

Well, to be fair, old subs hide based on sound, whereas the cloak "bends light" or something. It could also be argued that a fully active ship would also emit some sort of noise, electronic or otherwise. However, that idea'll just make Ingvar get even more annoyed, so let's not go there shall we.

local, cloaking and all that stuff are balanced, you're all terrible posters

cloaks should slowly use a fuel, best way to end afk cloaking and bring some balance and players back to null sec pve

your idea however i don't support, you should be able to cloak and go grab a coffee, not go to work

cloak fuel is a better solution imo

Yes, I'm just saying that if a cloaker's access to local was removed, they'd just start using blue alts to provide intel, instead of using them as awoxers, so the end result wouldn't really be all that different.

That's because you have absolutely no idea about balance and game mechanics.

Ok snowflake that's what it is. They're so taken back by your awe inspiring logic and sheer determination in spite of dozens of posters telling you that you're clueless and they're waiting to spring the announcement.

I'm pretty certain you'd find gathering fully reliable intel while warping on and off grid to be challenging and annoying.

a f*gg*t spotted.
get the f*ck out if you dont have any real argument.

No it can't. Because everyone watches local and when they see someone on there that isn't on dscan they will dock up until the anti cloak regiment comes through. It's not going to happen without local removal, and when that occurs you'll be screaming for a revert to the old way. Don't say you weren't warned but there is NO way to have cloaks useful while showing in local and becoming probeable/detectable. It doesn't matter how much you insist otherwise. Period.

This.

Endeavour Starfleet,why do you insist on constantly bringing this bad idea thread back from the dead?
You have 5 likes on the OP (most of which I would guess are your alts) and only 2 at most in the thread that even come close to liking your idea. 1 of which changes his mind and states it's over powered.

Let it die, you failed.

Such a thing does not exist.

Some people who cloak in enemy ratting systems do genuinely go AFK during the course of a day, sure. But for the vast majority of the time they are active and looking for people to shoot at. At worst, they might be semi-active, doing more effort-effective stuff on their mains, but they are still checking their probes, checking the gates, the complexes.

AFK Cloakers are a myth.

Why would you ever train a character to recons 5 to sit it in a system doing nothing ?

It turns out that denying the enemies the ability to make money doesn't make you anything, nor does it make you feel good. Useful pvp characters are rather better used to do pvp-type things. Certainly much better than sitting cloaked at a safe spot.